While I think that Paladin and Kronos are far superior to other two marauders after changes, why exactly you use autocannons if you MJD 100km away? You do realize it's a short range weapon system? With exception of Scorch, other marauders would also suck at those ranges with their short range weaponry.

Use your 100% increase in tank and stay close to rats.

How about staying close range when using close range weapons ?

95% of mission rats stay within 50km

You realise you can just use it like you used to right?They didnt really take away much just added stuff. Noone forcing you to use the MJD.

Also if you are worried about overhitting with artillery; you can ungroup your turrets. I don't know your fit but I get the feeling you have a 2-4 slot tank and you can get away with a 1-2 slot tank now. The new empty slots can get tracking comps/enha/etc.

Hmm? A bastioned AC Vargur with a TE and two range-scripted TCs does ~700 dps at 50k, and that's with T2 gyros.

the op sounds like one of those hur dur people in infomercials who seem to be mentally handicapped when trying to vacuum but when they get the new and improved vacuim they act like people with doctorates in vacuum cleaning.

only with the op its the other way around.

basically op has already made up his mind before he got the bastion vargur and is now puposefully flying and fitting it like a complete and utter wankstain to prove his 'point'.

I already tested it on sisi last few weeks and it has greatly improved mission income for me because I went in with an open mind.

You are doing it wrong. Drop the MJD and bastion, use the AB, a X-L, and cap injector. Put some cap implants in, use autocannons, and skill up the falloff/tracking skills to 5. Get within 55km of your targets - melt them with the correct ammo type. You are not doing 100dps at 50km, if you are, AB to them.

Folks... you're missing a module.

Forget about ABs. Forget about Micro Jump Drives.

ACs + MWD + Bastion = Success

The Vargur is amazing in Rubicon.

Also all those "RIP *insertrandomship/weapon here*" threads... If you dislike the changes and fail to adapt, cancel your subscription and play something else. They won't reverse the changes now, you had half a year time to cry on the Test-Server and the related F&I Forums. And since you didn't: Everyone else is happy. So shut your front door.

Edit:

They also didn't change the damage bonuses. So how can a Vargur be **** compared to the old one, when the main change it got is basically a massive increase in Tank and Range? You people need to use that thing between your ears sometimes. I think it is called brain.

EditEdit: Also nothing stops you from using pre-rubicon fits. Some Marauders lost their Web-Bonuses, but the fittings themselves generally still work the same. No one forces you to use Bastion.

only an idiot would complain about a 25% range buff coupled with a 150% tank increase. . .

The vargur now is just straight better than the vargur from monday; im not sure what youre complaining about.

That being said, the vargur does do the least DPS by about 10%, but you are forgetting that the vargur has selectable damage types and doesnt lose 1/4 of its DPS to defender missiles

Really? your cruiser can do 925 DPS at 4.5 + 66 km using no drones? Please tell me more about your mystery cruiser . . .

Typical moron response. Post first think never.

So...ummm, Macharial ------>

If 20MS means that much to you. We know Fozzie ******* hates matar, but it is what it is.

So it gets better tank, better range enough grid to use arties.....

...but its a nerf because the others got buffed more? Can you be a little more emotional, because you certainly aren't making a very logical case.

Confirming that terrible pilots, flying ships badly will always whine.

That is all.

at 50km (the farthest you should ever be from your target with the new MJD bonus), the vargur does 588 DPS; the only cruiser that can beat that is an ishtar and im not even sure that counts because of all the aggro sentry drones take now a days. And even then, the vargur does way more damage inside 30km, and it has fully selectable damage types; the sentry ishtar loses damage if it switches from thermal

again, morons . . . Post first think never

So make it 3 TCs and swap the TE for an Overdrive. On an AB, it's all of 4m/s slower than the pre-Rubicon Vargur. On an MWD it's actually marginally faster.

Many others here have given you the [their opinion] about how things works with the Vargur. And you just ignores it and thinks it's all fine to MJD 100 km away from the npcs with Autocannons and expect the Vargur to do high DPS.

If you want to hit the npc's with more higher DPS at 80-100 km, then fit Artilleries.

... stuff ...

Here's a hint, when insulting someone in text format, make sure that you have your grammar correct in the insult . . . oh wait you're the clueless prick

... more stuff ... Ishtar ...

yeah because [the Ishtar] does kinetic damage SO much better than the vargur.

If you can show me a ship that does angel cartel missions more effectively than mine does then I'd be happy to see it.
588 DPS is the worst case scenario, and if you're not creative enough to see how you can use a MJD to keep rats @ < 50km then you're beyond help.

go ahead show me a ship that can do better; the closest you can come to doing consistently more damage with damage selection is the golem, but even then you have the defender missile problem and the missile travel time issue.